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		<title>Player comparison &#8211; Koivu vs Moore</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yves</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Montreal Canadiens]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Player Comparisons]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Dickie Moore]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Saku Koivu]]></category>

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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I got hooked in reading some forums over at the Montreal Canadiens website I got into some discussions.</p>
<p>I participated a bit more in the &#8220;<a target="_blank" href="http://yvesonhabs.blogspot.com/2009/08/question-should-koivus-number-be.html">Should Koivu&#8217;s number be retired</a>&#8221; article I wrote earlier.</p>
<p>I did a little comparison just for fun. The reason for this comparison was that I&#8217;ve seen some people state that Saku Koivu&#8217;s performance over his career was &#8220;sub par&#8221;. So I&#8217;ve compared him to the great Dickie Moore.<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://forum.canadiens.com/index.php?s=&amp;showtopic=23281&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=1525774"><br />Here&#8217;s the comparison as I wrote it in the forum&#8217;s thread</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m still trying to figure out why some people are thinking Saku was &#8220;sub par&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll trespass into the nostalgic for fun and lets compare 2 players and where they rank in the history of the Montreal Canadiens.</p>
<p>Saku Koivu totals &#8211; playing in the dark ages<br />Games played : 792 &#8211; 19th all time<br />Goals scored : 191 &#8211; 27th all time<br />Assists : 450 &#8211; 6th all time<br />Points : 641 &#8211; 10th all time<br />Career point per game : 0.80</p>
<p>Dickie Moore totals &#8211; playing in a golden age<br />Games played : 654  &#8211; 28th all time<br />Goals scored : 254 &#8211; 14th all time<br />Assists : 340 &#8211; 16th all time<br />Points : 594 &#8211; 13th all time<br />Career point per game : 0.90</p>
<p>The point of this is to compare Koivu to a legendary Habs player who had his number retired keeping in mind who Dickie Moore had to play with..</p>
<p>Some of Dickie Moore&#8217;s team mates?<br />Rocket Richard, Elmer Lach, Bernard Geoffrion, Doug Harvey, Émile Bouchard,Jean Béliveau, Henri Richard, Ralph Backstrom, Bobby Rousseau</p>
<p>Those were some of Dickie Moore&#8217;s team mates for many years.</p>
<p>Who could we compare to those players that played with Koivu for the last 13 years.<br />Not many.</p>
<p>Saku&#8217;s point per game is just below Moores average. I&#8217;ll bet a dollar if Koivu would have had a Rocket and a Belliveau or an Elmer Lach&#8230; his average would be a bit higher.</p>
<p>I honestly can&#8217;t understand how some people have stated that Saku&#8217;s performance has been sub par. Because in the history of the habs, his numbers speak quite the opposite.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like him. That&#8217;s ok.</p>
<p>But please acknowledge what he&#8217;s accomplished without the team that our many greats have had.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">How do you see Koivu&#8217;s career in Montreal historically? Think he deserves a look?</span></p>
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		<title>New players vs Old players &#8211; Numbers game</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Yves</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Alex Kovalev]]></category>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d take a look at a some numbers and try to have fun. That probably really makes me sound lame&#8230;. but anything to do with the Montreal Canadiens will interest me in general.</p>
<p>Trust me.</p>
<p>So to start, what I wanted to do was simply look at last years roster and this year&#8217;s roster (2008-2009 vs 2009-2010) and compare some numbers.</p>
<p>So we have 7 players coming in and something like 11 players going out. Here&#8217;s a breakdown of the numbers each player game the habs last year:<br /><iframe src="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tQcEAhrHisaPRa4_ElIy4yw&amp;single=true&amp;gid=1&amp;output=html&amp;widget=true" width="570" frameborder="0" height="650"></iframe></p>
<p>Looking at last year vs this year and taking out Mathieu Schneider&#8217;s numbers because he only finished the season in Montreal, we see something like this:<br />New Habs &#8211; 539 out of 574 possible games played. 35 missed games or 6.1% missed.<br />Old Habs &#8211; 601 out of 820 possible games played. 219 missed or 26.7% missed.</p>
<p>With these numbers, some things don&#8217;t really look too different if you do crunch numbers but other things kind of jumped out at me.</p>
<p><span style="font-style: italic;">Did you know Scott Gomez finished 16th in the league in shots on goal last year?</span><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">Did you know Mike Cammalleri finished 25th and Brian Gionta finished 31st?</span></p>
<p>Last year&#8217;s leader (in Montreal) was Alex Kovalev who finished with 209 in 68th position overall. Tomas Plekanec was right behind him with 202 shots on goal.</p>
<p>Did you know that Mike Cammalleri finished 3rd in Power Play goals last year?</p>
<p>Alex Kovalev had 11 power play goals last season.</p>
<p>All those numbers are just that, they are numbers from a season gone by. All these players find themselves in new places (well, most of &#8216;em) and they&#8217;ll be surrouned with new teammates. So their numbers this year could vary, for better or worse.. depending on chemistry, the team&#8217;s system (or strategy), injuries&#8230;. a whole host of varialbes.</p>
<p>A few things jumped out at me.
<ol>
<li>Scott Gomez will likely shoot the puck quite a bit. Putting the puck on the net is a good thing although he&#8217;s never been scorer so much as a playmaker.</li>
<li>Mike Cammalleri will likely be shooting alot. He had 299 shots on goal in 2006-2007.</li>
<li>Robert Lang was a great pickup last year&#8230; so efficient. As was Alex Tanguay. Tanguay&#8217;s number weren&#8217;t too bad at all really. Just too bad he was hurt and seemed a bit soft in the playoffs.</li>
<li>The players coming in (7 of them) actually have a higher total of shots on goal as the ones going out (that&#8217;s 11 going out).</li>
<li>Although I was a fan of Chris Higgins and do wish him the best, I can&#8217;t seem to be disappointed in the numbers he put up last year.</li>
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<p>I do believe this year we&#8217;ll see a more organized and tighter defensive system that will protect Carey Price. Players like Gionta and Gomez thrived in New Jersey with a similar system and if the defense is tighter it will be so much more fun for Price.</p>
<p>The team has a new look, the dressing room will have a new feel and the team&#8217;s culture is different. Who knows which way it will go. I&#8217;m waiting to hear more from the analysts.</p>
<p>Whatever they say, just remember. 2 years ago most of &#8216;em said the Montreal Canadiens wouldn&#8217;t make the playoffs while they finished 1st in the east. And 1 year ago most analysts picked them to go deep in the playoffs, some even to contend for the stanley cup, while they barely crawled in at 8th.</p>
<p>So many variables. It can&#8217;t be calculated. But the sum of the team&#8217;s efforts night after night will tell the story.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Go Habs!</span></p>
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